Diversity is Beautiful

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[00:01:40] Welcome to Scotland's Women, Delina. Thank you so much for coming on today. I couldn't wait to have

[00:01:56] you on the podcast. What you've done here in Scotland and what you continue to do is just

[00:02:02] like so amazing and so inspiring.

[00:02:05] Thanks for having me. So my name is Delina and obviously I would say you're self-custed.

[00:02:13] Sometimes it pronounced differently, sometimes it's spelled differently, but I don't mind. There's a

[00:02:18] story behind why my name is pronounced and written differently, but that's a story for

[00:02:24] another day. So right in Delina and I am the project director of passion for

[00:02:29] fusion and I live in Edinburgh. I am a mummy to three wonderful beautiful children. Yeah, I

[00:02:38] consider Scotland a whole now. I'm originally from Uganda. I was born in Uganda, but my parents

[00:02:47] are born in Rwanda and so before Rwanda is Francophone and Uganda is Anglophone. That's

[00:02:57] how my name is mixed up. But I'm originally from Uganda and it's kind of difficult sometimes

[00:03:03] when people ask you because your actual origins in African culture, my actual origin is where

[00:03:12] my parents are born and that's Rwanda.

[00:03:16] Is Scotland your home now? What was it like when you first travelled here, when you first

[00:03:22] visited Scotland? What was that like?

[00:03:25] Yeah, so I just finished university where I did international relations. So travel was on my

[00:03:34] bucket list. I always wanted to travel. My dream was to be an ambassador. So an opportunity

[00:03:41] came when my sister was here. She was like, oh, just come and visit Scotland is beautiful. It's

[00:03:47] really nice. And I thought, oh, why not? I've just finished uni. It's like Gapia's type

[00:03:53] situation. I've not got a job yet. It's great in a past year. When you're in Uganda, for

[00:04:02] example, when you hear about going abroad, it's such an opportunity because it's always

[00:04:09] a glory side in a way that everything is beautiful. You get a job, lots of money. So I was so excited

[00:04:18] to come and join my sister. And so when I came to Scotland, it was in April. And I wasn't told

[00:04:28] about the weather now in April. It's like nice and spring and bright and everybody's kind

[00:04:36] of like getting their heavy jackets off and we're all getting a nice sweepers on. And oh my God,

[00:04:42] I was freezing. So what was the temperature like? We're at home. It's tropical. It's always sunny.

[00:04:49] We don't actually have winter. It's always sunshine. And then you get rainy season. But

[00:04:55] even then rainy seasons are not cold compared to Scotland. So April was like it was winter

[00:05:03] for me. It was freezing. I had my hat, my gloves, my cap, everything booked because I did not get

[00:05:11] warmth in my body. But to think that now in April, I'm one of those people like, oh, it's getting warm.

[00:05:19] I want to get more and more. I'll just lose the lyric. But yeah, those are some of the things

[00:05:23] that I remember arriving and it was so cold. And you know, it was so beautiful as well. Scotland

[00:05:30] was so beautiful. And you know, all the nice buildings, it was lovely to be in Scotland.

[00:05:39] When did you feel like you were going to go right? I'm going to make a go of it in Scotland.

[00:05:43] I'm going to be here with my sister. I mean, I was young. I just finished university.

[00:05:47] You know, I was exploring new opportunities. So it was like, okay, so you can stay here and watch

[00:05:55] and you know, and then when I was sort of combating the money, you know, you can get and like even

[00:06:01] at minimum wage, it felt like it was a big sum of money compared to a job that as an entry level,

[00:06:07] I would get back home. So I thought, oh, that that would be a good beginning to start with

[00:06:15] and start walking and in Scotland. But it was never all rosy, you know, so there's a lot of

[00:06:22] like legality before you start walking and, you know, getting your visa to properly work and do

[00:06:30] things like that. So it's not that straightforward. So once I'd made the decision that I wanted to

[00:06:35] stay then we started thinking, okay, so how what is the best way to try and work in the UT?

[00:06:42] And so after six months, which I can't originally for six months, but at that point,

[00:06:48] it was actually quite confusing for me because I thought I don't want to stay here.

[00:06:54] Yeah, because it was like sort of like a bittersweet moment that you want to stay because of all

[00:07:02] these opportunities, but the culture shock for me didn't allow me to want to stay.

[00:07:09] So I think I said to you before, I come from a sort of like very community oriented

[00:07:16] everybody knows everybody. Everybody's helping each other. Like you don't get a lot of loneliness

[00:07:24] and isolation like we did because you're sitting in that inner flat and you don't know your

[00:07:31] neighbors, you don't know anybody and it's quite daunting. It's quite difficult because we talk

[00:07:38] like you get back home, you get out and you speak to everybody like your next your neighbors,

[00:07:44] they are everybody you're on, because I'm visiting your cousins right here. Everybody's in the house.

[00:07:49] So it was quite a lonely sort of experience and to begin with when you go to a community where

[00:07:57] everybody keeps themselves to themselves, it's like, hey, this is different. You know, and I mean,

[00:08:03] I always joke with my sister because right now we're like next door neighbors and I go over and

[00:08:08] get some salt and some sugar and it's like, oh, this is like being back home, but we

[00:08:13] would never have to we would never have done that. Like you would run out of whatever and you just

[00:08:17] have to make do because you don't have like you don't know your neighbor and it's quite rude

[00:08:23] and how do you how dare you go and chop their door? And even when you do that, it's like,

[00:08:28] can I help you? It's not like that friendly face. Oh, hi, oh yeah. No, can I help you? And it's

[00:08:34] not welcoming that way but you get used to it and you learn and deal with it. So I was

[00:08:41] for me, I've set out to create a community around me because I was used to having a community around

[00:08:47] me. So being in Fulton was nice but I didn't want to give up what I had. I always believed like

[00:08:57] that you got to solve the problem that you have. You have to solve your own problems. So

[00:09:05] and for me, it was like, I'm sure a lot of people feel like this as well. You know, a lot of people

[00:09:11] feel that coming to this country you don't know anybody to begin with. And so where do you start?

[00:09:18] Yeah. So from my own lived experience, I thought I have to do something. I must do

[00:09:23] something around it. So obviously we you know, like we went to church and then we started

[00:09:28] building connections, free charts. Then you always meet someone who goes, oh, I know another

[00:09:35] peagandan or I know a rendezvous person and then they will introduce you and you start building

[00:09:41] your network slowly but surely. And continuously as we spoke to people, we realized we were all

[00:09:49] in the same situation. So we thought, yeah, let's come together as the African community,

[00:09:54] Iceland, the Ashwara community and let's have an event, bring some home food because that was

[00:10:01] another thing. You know, in the early 2000s there was no African food. You would only sign one shop

[00:10:08] and you were missing home, not bit of home like your own food. So just bring some food and

[00:10:14] let's get together. Let's just have a good time. And so we organize myself and I see other

[00:10:21] people organized an event. And so that to my Facebook was just a bit new. I was saying,

[00:10:29] let's put it out there and see who will show up. And so we had an event of about 150 people coming.

[00:10:39] How did you feel at that point? You know, that must have been a good sense of achievement and

[00:10:43] going, I'm actually helping people, you know, and I thought I was alone.

[00:10:46] It was quite overwhelming in a nice way, like seeing people and hearing people speaking their own

[00:10:52] languages and coming with the culture food. And we had music so you know, African people have a good

[00:10:59] party, right? So everybody was having so much fun and it was really nice. So everybody was like,

[00:11:05] oh, well done. That was a great event. Let's do it again. You know, so we did it a couple

[00:11:12] of times. We did events a couple of times and then from those events, while you were speaking

[00:11:19] and to different people. So because obviously like now you were seeing as a leader, because you're

[00:11:24] the one organizing things, reaching out to different communities, you're by default,

[00:11:30] you're the leader of the group. People would come to me and go, oh, I have this problem

[00:11:36] that I don't know how to deal with it. My housing or my landlord, it being really nasty

[00:11:41] because we have a lack of understanding of systems like the UK systems are so complicated.

[00:11:49] I mean, they're complicated for people living in the UK. Never mind you just coming in new.

[00:11:53] Yeah, exactly. They're complicated. Were you having to relearn these systems as well to help others?

[00:11:59] Yeah, and it was just some different advice. Okay, so what do you do if you need a council

[00:12:04] house? Oh, this is where you go and you have to high-floor this fall. And so you build

[00:12:09] that knowledge of a client by asking questions or my child is having a bit of an issue at school

[00:12:15] or I can't get into my crunch limit school, what do I do? And then you start finding information

[00:12:21] or you start finding people in the community who have expertise in that area. So you pick

[00:12:25] their brains and you bring them on board. It was more like a befriending service or I support

[00:12:31] each other type service. It was never an organization. It was very informal, you know, let's help

[00:12:37] each other. And so once we realize, like every time you go to a meeting as an advocate,

[00:12:45] at that point you don't know you're an advocate, but you're kind of speaking on behalf of the

[00:12:49] other person because you have the knowledge they don't. And we saw, oh, every time you go

[00:12:54] to a meeting they ask me, and who are you? And who are you? And I said, oh, I'm a friend or

[00:13:01] and it was quite confusing. So I quickly found out that if you're an organization,

[00:13:06] it's usually better. So if you're an organization, there's a sort of like,

[00:13:11] a respect that an organization has come along to support this person. So they give you,

[00:13:17] like it carries more weight. And so we started the organization in 2014 as a charitable

[00:13:25] organization. And we've been running since and we do loads of different activities for the

[00:13:30] community. And this is passion for fusion. This is passion for theater. Amazing. You never set out

[00:13:38] to do this. It kind of just snowballed it, didn't it? Just it started growing. Everybody was

[00:13:43] depending on you, but you're going through this as well. You're putting your roots down here.

[00:13:48] You're kind of learning as you go. I mean, how do you feel about this point?

[00:13:52] I have the community behind me and I still do have the community behind me,

[00:13:57] which is always a pleasure. Like there is so much joy in giving back.

[00:14:04] And so at that point, I think this is from my app, it comes from my app ringing.

[00:14:11] My household was always full of people coming to tell my parents about one problem or another.

[00:14:19] And my parents were always solving problems, you know? So and somebody was sitting on the

[00:14:25] village and they said, oh, we need to take them to hospital. My mom would be like, okay,

[00:14:29] let's go and let this person has a car. Let's take it. So it was always a problem solving mode.

[00:14:35] So I must have picked it up cautiously. And so even when we started passion for fusion,

[00:14:42] it wasn't a job. It was it was like part of what we did at WIM, you know, supporting each

[00:14:49] other, supporting the community. But it was nice also. Like right now, sometimes I just pitch myself

[00:14:56] think like how we have grown and the impact we are continuing to make in the community is

[00:15:03] just so amazing when I go out and I feel like all the children on the football pitch or all the

[00:15:10] adults doing fun stuff or well, whatever, it's just nice. I always feel like it's not a job

[00:15:18] for me. It's a pleasure to be able to support the community and to run the organization as well.

[00:15:28] I think that's so inspiring. Could you tell us about passion for fusion, the organization and what

[00:15:33] you provide? So we're a Black led charity organization. We're based in Edinburgh and

[00:15:41] West Lodien, the Lodians. And we do a lot of work around integration and we use tools like football,

[00:15:52] basketball, I mean clubs, we hold well-being classes for children and young people.

[00:16:01] We did an app to black and brown young people because what they said is that they could never

[00:16:08] see themselves in resources and they started in COVID. So they said, well we turn to ourselves

[00:16:15] in resources when they go on YouTube. They can relate to the mental health and well-being resources

[00:16:22] that are out there. So that's why we created the app. We will be coming out soon. We do a lot

[00:16:28] of health and well-being work and we support Black and Brown adults who have chronic illness

[00:16:35] sets. So for example diabetes is a big problem in our community and HIV, we have people who have

[00:16:45] young people, well I say young people like people when they are 40 and 50 starting to get Parkinson's

[00:16:49] disease. So as I said having the knowledge and the support for example going to a doctor's,

[00:16:59] you know, the doctor will see you for 10 minutes and if he don't speak clearly,

[00:17:03] if he don't speak the language, you can't articulate yourself, it's really difficult sometimes to be

[00:17:08] able to get your health questions answered but if you have someone else I will cite you on the

[00:17:15] explained things clearly it helps and I had told you when you first come into the country

[00:17:19] you don't understand the systems, where do you go for a job, what kind of training do I need,

[00:17:25] how do I speak, even how we speak is very different. So sometimes it's a barrier to get

[00:17:30] employment so we do a lot of like employability work right now and alongside CCP and Edinburgh

[00:17:37] and so we're a small charity with a big impact. So what's been the main issue that people are

[00:17:44] facing right now that are coming to you and joy? Yeah at the moment I think the biggest

[00:17:51] issue we have is the cost of living prices like everybody else, you know, and things are

[00:17:57] going up and wages are not going up and people have to continue to leave and pay so that's the

[00:18:03] main issue at the minute now and so we have to support people around okay send them to food banks

[00:18:11] or we do a part of employability work, we're doing income maximization. So we'll sit with them and

[00:18:20] do some budgeting work okay this is where you can cut down, this is where you can

[00:18:25] maybe increase your income by getting benefit if you're entitled to benefit. So I think at the

[00:18:31] moment but I think and generally like I said integration is a big issue because obviously

[00:18:39] you don't understand systems, you don't have people around you, you don't have friends so it

[00:18:45] takes you trying to settle down in the UK because you're trying to find information if

[00:18:51] you're lucky you'll find people like questions for Fijian and they will support you and through the

[00:18:57] journey but if you're unnitty you're just going around in circles remember we say the systems are

[00:19:02] complicated it works out that it's the systems are complicated and I think there's a lot of

[00:19:09] barriers around discrimination and lack of understanding of culture okay so for example

[00:19:16] someone goes to a job and they speak differently that can be a barrier either to

[00:19:24] progression within the job or at your probation stage it's like well the customers are

[00:19:30] complicated they don't understand you know and the businesses have a duty of care but they don't

[00:19:36] you can't always pay get on to that sort of like the lack of cultural competence

[00:19:42] but we've been working with employers where we're with clearing them look

[00:19:47] the fact that I speak differently doesn't mean that I can't give a good service or the fact that

[00:19:53] I'm a different color it doesn't mean that I can't and give a good service so I think

[00:20:00] generally there's a lot of like cultural lack of cultural understanding which becomes a barrier

[00:20:06] for people from the community to integrate properly the other issue that we have is that

[00:20:13] there's a difference again in culture in foods so for example if I refer a Muslim client

[00:20:21] to a food ban the food ban needs to be aware that there's some foods that they can't take

[00:20:28] because of their religious beliefs or there's some food they don't even know how to use

[00:20:34] so for example in the pandemic we were supporting people to learn how to cook different food because

[00:20:40] that's what they had to live with yeah so then again as I said that lack of cultural understanding

[00:20:47] you know African people for example are very polite they will take the food but then you

[00:20:53] couldn't do anything with it yeah you know so and then it causes another problem on the back

[00:21:00] of that which may be food waste because they're keeping it and they don't want to say no because

[00:21:04] they're feeling grateful and they're keeping it so yeah it's really sad in this day and age that

[00:21:13] this is happening in Scotland and yeah but I'll say at the moment the biggest issue is the

[00:21:18] custolary crisis with everybody part of passion profusion what can we learn from in a

[00:21:24] few anti-racism practices right here in Scotland yeah so I guess for me when I'm talking to my

[00:21:32] white Scottish friends about anti-racist practices I'm asking them to be active listeners

[00:21:38] you know most of us because or you know that white fragility you feel like oh you're being

[00:21:47] attacked it's not attacking you as a person but it's this thing that is around us that we're trying

[00:21:54] to manage so for example if you're actively listening it means you're not listening to give

[00:22:01] an answer you're not listening to defend your position you're listening to learn and listening

[00:22:08] to understand okay and so the other thing is we have to learn and and learn a lot of things

[00:22:16] and right now in Scotland I'm quite grateful because since we had the George Floyd situation

[00:22:23] I think more people are open to listening and learning but before that I tell you it's like

[00:22:31] if you talked about racism it was like you just your knickers off in front of the audience

[00:22:38] it was just you don't speak about that kind of stuff you know are you using the race

[00:22:45] the race card are you talking you know it was it was never a subject that you felt comfortable

[00:22:51] to talk about so and I think now there's more and more conversation and I think because it's

[00:22:58] an uncomfortable conversation it's difficult you know so we need to be comfortable and the

[00:23:05] more we talk about things the easier it becomes and the easier it becomes to solve the problem

[00:23:14] you know but if we don't talk about it's it's constantly under the carpet and so there's a

[00:23:19] lot to learn and and learn that we need to be active listeners and we also need to be open

[00:23:26] to different people different culture there is beauty in diversity there's a lot of learning

[00:23:33] about you know different people's food music hair skin whatever but people are worried they don't like

[00:23:40] to ask questions you know because all I may come off as a satin way yeah if you don't ask you don't

[00:23:49] learn as long as you're doing it respectfully you know I think people from the black and

[00:23:55] brown community are more open to talking about their cultures or their things that make them

[00:24:03] uncomfortable as well and there's a lot of there's still a lot of work that we have to do in Scotland

[00:24:09] but if we're not open to learning if we don't get comfortable with this uncomfortable conversation

[00:24:15] we're not going to get anywhere no we're not and that's why we're having the conversation

[00:24:22] right now and I always ask when I'm doing like training and anti-racism training I always ask

[00:24:29] people like think about your cycle of friends or think about your cycle of trust or think about

[00:24:38] not in the white situation because in what we all work with different people and that's fine we come

[00:24:43] and go off but beyond that how are people are different from you that tells you a lot if you can

[00:24:51] answer that question and I'm not asking you to answer me and think about like real community

[00:24:57] real friendships around you yeah how many people are different from you are from a different culture

[00:25:04] are from a different country are a different kind that tells a lot about us as a society in

[00:25:12] Scotland when we're thinking about race and colour and culture this beauty and culture because it's

[00:25:19] about learning about what the other cultures do that we could pick up or we can work with

[00:25:24] as well and so for me that one it's like friendships deep connection is one of the things that I

[00:25:30] want to teach people as an African woman and I want to teach my Scottish friends how we can

[00:25:37] have the meaningful connections not just off the top how is the weather how is your work type of

[00:25:45] conversation because we can't think that we're sticking with we're sticking with really maybe

[00:25:51] some deep issues and we want to talk and you want to talk to someone a true friend but

[00:25:58] you can because again there's that barrier I remember our last conversation on the phone was

[00:26:04] cultural differences when you were sitting in that coffee shop with your sister a person came over

[00:26:09] and served you coffee yeah yeah and from your culture you were taught like a white person shouldn't

[00:26:17] be doing that could you yeah story it goes back to colonialism and I think we were

[00:26:25] taught that white people are better than us you know they're smarter than us they are you know

[00:26:31] it's privilege right it's privilege so when I came to this country I came expecting that anyway

[00:26:39] you know I came expecting that I would be serving white people if I had to and so when we went

[00:26:46] to a coffee shop and we sat down and this lovely white girl came and came and tried to add

[00:26:52] take our order I was like like do you know internally I was like oh my goodness like I'm also important

[00:26:59] like this white girl is serving me and you know I was an educated woman it's not I you know I wasn't

[00:27:05] ignorant but it's that colonial mindset that makes you think that they're better than you because

[00:27:13] they're white or because they're more educated I was in all like oh my goodness when I walked

[00:27:19] around Edinburgh and there's white homeless people that is not a picture that we had like

[00:27:25] white people can be poor I think it's not the way how is that possible and so again that was another

[00:27:33] shock to my sister we are like this you know like I am important and it made me realize like

[00:27:41] okay actually it's not like that and that's where you start to unland some of those things

[00:27:47] but it takes time it's a long long process almost ingrained in your DNA because your parents

[00:27:55] computer if like everybody around there is you go to the ad there and you go to a restaurant my

[00:28:01] husband's white and we go to a restaurant automatically the servers will assume that he's the one

[00:28:09] paying the bill because he's white because he's got money you know I know right it's so

[00:28:19] yeah it's so mind-boggling how it's so ingrained in our system how does that make you feel

[00:28:27] after we've gone like I constantly feel like I have to educate people about it because it was such

[00:28:33] a less than for me as well and I like without judgment I was like that too so I had to unland

[00:28:44] and learn more like okay so like systems are built to make you feel like that from colonial days

[00:28:52] and it always felt like it's inbuilt in our DME but let me tell you something I mean it this is

[00:29:00] real conversation like we need to unland a lot of black and brown people need to unland that they

[00:29:08] almost feel like the gratitude of even the gratitude of being in Scotland is like they're doing your

[00:29:14] favor up from to their countries and it's just no actually you know you're making a difference in

[00:29:20] this country yeah you're coming you're here to contribute to this country to make this country

[00:29:26] great you know it is very unconscious we do it unconsciously and so sometimes that can limit

[00:29:37] what we do because of our beliefs or because of our education or assumptions or whatever so for me

[00:29:47] I feel like I constantly have to educate people like actually look it's fine today I'm the one

[00:29:55] paying the bill you're like my next to me bill recall good for you guys what advice would you give

[00:30:03] to women who are listening right now who want to make these big changes first of all women I think

[00:30:10] we're made as problem solvers you know a woman will go in her kitchen and make up a meal out of

[00:30:18] nothing you know because we're trying to solve a problem so for me I just want to encourage women

[00:30:25] to see whatever you want to do you can do it just go for it one thing for sure if you build a good

[00:30:35] support network around you and people who can encourage you people who can list you up people

[00:30:42] who can support you and your vision and your idea and whatever you're trying to do if you can do that

[00:30:50] I think women we're unstoppable you know but we don't know that we just don't know that and it's

[00:30:57] about believing in ourselves believing that we can do things because we as women we're marginalized

[00:31:05] it doesn't matter your white brown or black you're still marginalized and so we need to start

[00:31:11] believing in ourselves I think we can do all these amazing great things educate yourself

[00:31:19] learn from other people and learning is not just in the classroom learning from your community

[00:31:25] learning is online learning is from people learning from other women so educate yourself

[00:31:33] in whatever way because you always have I mean I don't know about you but things like

[00:31:39] trains are changing very rapidly you wake up tomorrow and it's like AI and A.I. that and

[00:31:45] and you're like okay I didn't even realize so we constantly have to be on the ball learning

[00:31:51] and educating ourselves if we want to make a difference but the most important thing for me

[00:31:58] if you want to make a difference even to that one person even to that one person

[00:32:05] that is a huge great achievement never underestimate what you can it could be talking to your neighbor

[00:32:13] who is going through mental health issues and having and being that listening ear that's already

[00:32:20] creating impact in the community you know so for me I just want to say to women go for

[00:32:26] your game changers your problem solve as your world changes you can do it so absolutely go for it

[00:32:35] thanks so much Helena we end every episode on Scotland's women with a quote a quote that

[00:32:41] keep on you and you always remember and it just helps you when sharing that with us

[00:32:47] yeah it's for sure so um one thing I didn't say to you I'm a Christian

[00:32:51] so I probably said a lot that I go to church so you've probably worked that out but I

[00:32:57] am rely a lot on the Bible for strength or for word or for something and I think my

[00:33:02] high quote and comes from the Bible and it says I can do all things through Christ who

[00:33:09] strengthened me that is a quote from the Bible that gives me hope when I'm doing things and

[00:33:16] I'm feeling a bit down and I feel like things are not working out it encourages me I'm encouraging

[00:33:23] myself to do I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me I can do and that usually

[00:33:29] is something that does something sweeter than my brain that I've got this that is amazing

[00:33:37] thank you so much for sharing that with us thank you so much for coming on today to

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